In this episode of Pounders Quest, Jon Pounders sits down with longtime MUFON investigator and CE4 Research founder Joseph Jordan for a hard look at the true nature of aliens and UFOs — and why his findings have drawn sharp criticism from big names in the UFO movement.Joe spent more than 30 years investigating the phenomenon from the inside. What he found is not what the mainstream disclosure narrative wants to talk about: the so-called alien abduction experience can be stopped, and the evidence points away from biological extraterrestrials and toward something interdimensional and spiritual. In this conversation, he walks through that research, the red flags in modern Ufology, and the backlash that followed when he refused to bury the part of the puzzle most researchers won’t touch.If you’ve wondered why some of the biggest voices in UFO culture push so hard against certain conclusions, this episode goes straight at it.Joseph Jordan’s Books:Piercing the Cosmic Veil: You Shall Not Be Afraid of the Terror by Night — https://www.amazon.com/Piercing-Cosmic-Veil-Afraid-Terror/dp/1893788318

The Red Flags of Ufology — https://www.amazon.com/Red-Flags-Ufology-Joseph-Jordan/dp/1893788326

UAP: End Time Delusion: Exposing the Final Supernatural Counterfeit — https://www.amazon.com/UAP-Delusion-Exposing-Supernatural-Counterfeit-ebook/dp/B0GJP2XJ67

Connect with Joseph Jordan / CE4 Research:Website: https://www.ce4research.com/

Website: https://www.piercingthecosmicveil.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CE4ResearchUFOtruth

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CE4Research

Email: ce4president@yahoo.com

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